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Decay
Matrix Reloaded

SPOILERS
If you haven't seen the movie, go away

You know the architect speech? Well here it is.... with some [annotations by me]......

The Architect - Hello, Neo.

Neo - Who are you?

The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realise it is also irrelevant.

[I am the person that tries both explain and confuse the audience at this point. I can see the future and therefore, I think you're an idiot]

Neo - Why am I here?

The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

[You are a bug, I mean a defect, I have tried removing you but alas I received a beta for doom3 and hl2 and lost track of time]

Neo - You haven't answered my question.

The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

[what? pardon? dammit stupid head crab........ you were saying?]

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"*

The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

[Here at Matrix™ we are constantly updating and renewing our product line, we are up to version 2.5]

*Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bullshit."*

Neo - There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.

The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

[Basically, this defect is affecting everything...... it starts small and gathers momentum. You are a worm]

*Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can't control me! F*ck you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!*

Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.

*The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architect's room*

The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

[Version 1 was perfect, everything was great. The graphics, sound and controls were perfect. But the gameplay was lacking we lost a lot of players. We started v2 afresh. We new what worked and so tried to find that something to make it balanced. I couldn't think of it... because I had much better things to do, it was beneath me. Some intern checked in some buggy code which changed the balance for the better, it was defect #0001. The programmers just call it "the one".]

Neo - The Oracle.

The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

[Oracle? nah, we couldn't afford the licences...... we are using mysql, someone complained that we didn't use postgres, but we just reassigned Smith to be a GameOP. Anyway...... defect #0001 was great..... it gave us 99.99% uptime, which means we hit our SLA target, unfortunately, as #0001 was a defect in a NPC and as it grew it tended to walk around and tell people how to wall hack and speed hack. so while we have great uptime... the cheaters grow exponentially]

Neo - This is about Zion.

The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

[Zion? what is this? We make a wonderful system and you go ripping off some Gibson to name your city? I mean we didn't do that.... um... hang on.. Matrix....... dammit! Anyway, we have introduced our lawyers (Sentinal, Sentinel and Sentinol) into the equation, to shut down the unauthorised Zion Mod.]

Neo - Bullshit.

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Bullshit!"*

The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

[Other mods have come and gone.... including some Star Wars crap.... I mean geez...]

*Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.*

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

[Now to business. We see you and your mod as a great way to extend the Matrix™, but we want you on board, you can bring your friends and "hackers", although not too many, Payroll Tax is a bitch. We'll give you a nice new start on ZionMatrix™. If you don't want to, the lawyers will take down the amateur Zion shite and leave the Matrix™ server as it is.... you can watch it fall apart. You realise you have released that postgres loving GameOp as well....... and he is mad as hell]

Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.

The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

[Need people to survive? Sure the hardcore gamers will leave, but there is always other ways. Anyway, do you really want it all to end?]

*The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors*

The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

[Each time we change version, I have this conversation and each time it ends the same. But you have been hitting it pretty hard lately and I can see that you are really emotional about this..... would you like a cookie?]

*Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo's dream appear on the monitors*

Neo - Trinity.

The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

[(NEB)Trinity has joined the game. I see one of your clan mates is here...... but all alone....... oh dear]

Neo - No!

The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

[So? How about it? Either way, what you know to be real or unreal will end and change. You can be part of the new version or you and your cronies can have your MatrixIDs™ banned]

*Neo walks to the door on his left*

The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

[Oh FFS, you really think you can take us?]

Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

The Architect - We won't.

[We won't because I'm going on long-service leave. You'll probably see my replacement]


Comments

hehe - most excellent.
Gotta say thank god for someone transcripting the speech tho. My brain melted at that moment in the theatre..

:-\

Posted by: SaMbO on May 20, 2003 01:47 PM

Woo Hoo love it love it love it!!!

Posted by: DK The Elder on May 21, 2003 09:19 AM

I suppose I'd better do something about seeing The Matrix 1 before I contemplate seeing Re-loaded...

Posted by: Moby on May 21, 2003 09:25 AM

Thanks for the transcript. Now I can go see the movie. A friend warned me about this scene. I guess it would be worse to hear it and not get to re-read it like I just did.

The content itself really isn't that difficult to understand. It's merely God, creation, man, sin, savior and freewill. Easy shmeasy! The whole Matrix concept is quite silly when you think of how they merely ripped off the story from the Bible to begin with. They named the characters with proper names of concepts; Trinity, the Oracle. Quite the story...but it's been told before. It's actually been the number one selling book for years, the Bible that is.

egh...whatever...I'll still pay my $9 dues and go see it sometime

Posted by: walter on May 21, 2003 05:00 PM

I'd have liked the thing so much more had the counsellor of Zion not made that stupid remark to Neo whilst having a chat with him (while standing on the rail overlooking Zion in panopticon-style overview):

"I see you're not fat. Good, means you're still human."

That one stupid line came damned close to ruining the whole movie for me. It was completely unnecessary to make a fat joke in a film like this. It brings the level of the thing far down to shit-level insult-humour. And besides, I'm fat, and thus not amused even on THAT level.

Add to this the French bashing through the Merovingian nonsense and I consider myself disappointed indeed that the only Hollywood movie series that's not loaded with product placements and tie-in merchandise marketing ploys just went from "Wow" to "Eh".

I'd like to find out who was the responsible individual - I can't believe it could be the original scriptwriter, somehow.

Posted by: monde on May 22, 2003 10:03 AM

This comment made to blip the preceding off the page where I just noticed it was being displayed as a Glaring Spoiler. Though "spoiler" in more than one context, to be sure...

Posted by: monde on May 22, 2003 10:09 AM

Just saw the movie again..... he doesn't mention being fat..... I don't know where you are coming from there. From memory they are talking about sleeping....

And the french thing? He mentions that he sampled all languages and found French to be the most pleasing (anyone know what he said when he was swearing?)... I don't see it as a go at French people or whatever, but that maybe because I'm in Australia and not up with the french bashing that happened (happening?) recently.

A full braindump on the Matrix universe coming soon.....

Posted by: Decay on May 23, 2003 10:49 AM

He doesn't mention being fat, he makes a remark about Neo not being asleep -but worried instead or maybe troubled-, thus being human.

Posted by: Mel on May 25, 2003 09:45 AM

I'm sorry that you're fat. Who cares about the French?

Posted by: Joe on May 25, 2003 10:53 AM

poop

Posted by: Joe on May 25, 2003 10:54 AM

Le Monde. He doesn't say a word about being fat. Nor is this film anywhere near French bashing. You need to pay closer attention to what's going on around you and stop being so self conscious.

The film is on the screen, not in your mind.

To the contrary of your observations:

- This film shows Fishborne's bulbous gut in the middle of his silly monologue. (my least favorite part of the movie) But not because of Morpheus's pot belly, just because the speech wasn't so great.

- As decay mentions, they state that French was the _most appealing_. That qualifies as a compliment in my book.

- Finally, one critical peace that is missing in this transcript (thanks for it by the way) is the fact that as the Archy talks about evil in man's history images of Hitler and US President BUSH flash on the screen. I'd say that's another homage to the French and their opinion set.


blahblahblahblah.

Loved the movie, although I'm not nearly as critical as most.

Posted by: Alex on May 27, 2003 03:41 AM

Can anyone explain the part in the architects speech in which, the architect tells Neo, "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix".
Does this then mean Neo is a program inside the matrix? If that makes any sense.
Or simply that the life Neo was given to live in the Matirx was that of a combination of lives in the past, thus creating this anomaly?

Posted by: nokio on May 28, 2003 02:42 AM

No, what The Architect is saying is that Neo is the end result of an anomaly inherent within the programming of the Matrix. The real question is what exactly IS that anomaly?

Posted by: Bill on May 28, 2003 05:24 AM

Possible anomalies for software:

1) Divide by zero.
2) PI - infinite number of decimal places that at some point requires rounding - thus always leaving a remainder.

These situations are best avoided by Error Handling, where a programmer deals with it by coding a less but sufficient response and/or leaves the rest to the user. If there is no error handling the software crashes. Would a human be happy with a less than optimal response from the Matrix? It may cause them to question reality which I think would be disasterous in the case of the Matrix. I can imagine a lot of people committing suicide when they realize, 'What's the point, it's not real anyways?' Would they die in reality too? I wonder.

So how can the software avoid these situations? May it have something to do with predictability of humans. If you are giving a choice of 2 doors and I tell you that death lies behind one and heaven behind the other than I am pretty sure that you are not going to commit suicide perhaps 99.99% of the time ;). Could the door of death really be a function or process that results in the anomaly. Although it can not stop you from using that functionality as it is part of the software and bad data can also cause an anomaly in any functionality without being specific. Maybe the program can influence you to make another choice taking you away from the problem area. Maybe love can be more predictable than Logic. Would a person question the logic of a choice if love had something to do with it? Maybe we can get humans to direct other humans away from the problem areas, you just need to give them a guide them. Maybe the choice of 23 humans and re-creating Zion is some form of error-handling.

CLB

Posted by: CLB on May 28, 2003 09:27 AM

The anomaly is the small percent of the human minds that cannot abide the programming of the matrix.

By leaving a loophole (unbalanced equation) this allows some minds to perceive the matrix, this does not necessarily manifest itself as superhuman abilities, but as a feeling that things are not quite right and numerous other ways. Neo has the ability to perceive the matrix for what it truely is, he is the sum of everyone's paranoia about the world.

They created the anomaly to give the unstable minds somewhere to escape to, Zion. This in my opinion is another level of the matrix, it is still not the real world. By allowing minds to escape, they remove an unstable element from the system. When the one comes along, he/she inherently has the ability to bring the system to its needs on its own. Therefore, at the time of greatest conflict, the one is told the truth and given two options.

1. Reboot the whole system, the Matrix is reborn and Zion is remade at the start of the struggle. He can populate the new Zion with selected people as way of compensation.

2. Allow the system (Matrix) to spiral out of control. In the meantime, destroy Zion ending the struggle. This is what Neo chose, although in this iteration of the Matrix, Smith is another unbalancing force, which will be the crux of how this movie series will be resolved.

For those that are really interested.... There is another game coming out next year, The Matrix Online. This is a MMORPG set in the Matrix. It has already been said that it is set after revolutions. Therefore the Matrix still exists after revolutions.

Posted by: Decay on May 28, 2003 09:38 AM

Yeah, what the hell is that French that Merovingian geezer says?

Posted by: Matt on May 28, 2003 10:09 AM

I best be hiring The Matrix on Friday night and seeing Re-loaded on Saturday night...

..and I tried so hard not to read the whole review, but alas, temptation proved too much.....

Posted by: Moby on May 28, 2003 04:05 PM

where can I find Morpheus speech at Zion?
"let us remember..."

thanks!

Posted by: felipe on May 28, 2003 11:25 PM

Wow, what a mind boggler. It's interesting what Decay posted about Zion. It seems that Zion (and the whole world supposedly outside of the matrix) may actually be just another virtual reality or as decay puts it 'just another level of the matrix.'

Evidence of this can be found at the end of the film when Neo raises his hand (like he does when stopping bullets inside the actual matrix) and destroys the sentinal that just blew up the Nebuchadnezzar. You think a human being can do that in real life? I don't think so. As we know Neo's 'powers' concern the virtual rules of the matrix (that he can control with his mind) and not the laws of physics (which no one can control). Therefore Zion etc must be another virtual reality for Neo to excercise his extraordinary abilities.

Anyone seen 'The Game' starring Michael Douglas? The Matrix is going to turn into that type of storyline. Rent it and have your brain messed with on a major scale!

Posted by: Kram on May 30, 2003 04:31 AM

I think most will miss the underpinnings of this movie and the story as a whole. If this appears disappointing it simply glaringly display of a fundimental disconnect from parts of the human experience that are the most primal and most powerful we have access to.

Posted by: MD123 on May 30, 2003 06:50 AM

I think most will miss the underpinnings of this movie and the story as a whole. If this appears disappointing it is simply a glaring display of a fundimental disconnect from parts of the human experience that are the most primal and most powerful we have access to.

Posted by: MD123 on May 30, 2003 06:51 AM

AS I was reading thru all these (kudos to decay and kram for very compelling posts) I couldn't help but think that possibly the Merovingian, was in fact a previous "one" (one of Neo's predecessors) who chose to have the Matrix rebooted and thus got to choose 23 survivors to go along with him. In reward for his conformity, he was rewarded a lavish lifestyle and power in the matrix. And that his Zion, was in fact, the world as we know it today and it was destroyed and rebooted as a world within the matrix (a virtual world), much like the architect proposed to Neo and it's dealings with Zion. Basically, what if the Merovingian, was the 1st "one" and basically sold his soul to the Devil (the architect is a very devil like creature) and figured, if I can't beat them, I'll join them. The reason why I think this, is because if you remember the Merovingian says something along the lines of "I've survived the others and I'll survive you." That's not something a program would say, is it? Moreso, a man that has been exposed to who he really was, and know is looked at as a traitor (only by the other chosen one's, Neo) and has been one of the objects of the incumbent "one's" desire to terminate. Just got me thinking that's all. Thoughts? Opinions?

Posted by: Alrock718 on May 30, 2003 03:23 PM

quite simply, i was stunned.

Posted by: taph on May 30, 2003 10:38 PM

I wouldn't imagine that a program would be interested in meeting the woman in the bathroom.

Recall that the Architect said that they/it/whatever are prepared to accept certain losses. That could be the Zion scenario - reload/re-boot with 23 people "free"/left. Maybe it is BS and it is the last ditch attempt to manipulate "The One" into not going in the door where the source lies. This might conform with the idea that Zion is merely another form/level of the Matrix.

So I wonder what does the Oracle mean when she/it has hope with Neo? Her job is to minimize the chances/affect of the anomaly. Maybe the Oracle realized that it is easier to manipulate "The One" if he/she (let's be fair) is in love with someone. They can tell when a human is in love because of the chemical changes in the brain that love causes. Maybe her intention is to have Neo go through the other door saving Trinity, and to do that "The One" would truly have to be in love. Another attempt to ensure "The One" does not go through the door to the source.


Posted by: CLB on May 31, 2003 06:57 AM

another piece of evidence regarding the whole zion = another level of the matrix is the fact that the spoon existed outside of the matrix when thats not meant to be possible. an imaginary object cannot be brought into the real world...

Posted by: Stirfry_Ninja on May 31, 2003 03:38 PM

HI!
I'm a Persian writer & my book about The Matrix 2 years ago was the first Persian book about it.
Well, I'm looking for RELOADED's script.
Please help me find it. What can I do?
Thanx.

Farhad

Posted by: Farhad on May 31, 2003 06:42 PM

Yes, yes, and yes,Zion is another part of the matrix construct and is not real that is more stated than implied in the Architects speech, The coma Neo falls into upon the halting of the sentinal in th "real world", is more than likely explained by the new found realization that he no longer has to jack in to go to and fro between the matrix and the real world a fact also not missed by Smith who has found a way to infect the "real world" via his virus transfer ability. Neo and the Smith host are doing battle in an alternate construct apart from the matrix and zion which mirrors the trianing program where Morph first schools Neo in overblown YMCA karate.

YES, the Merovingian is a prior One who obiviously
has a stake in knocking off the competition, this is why he hides the key maker, His wife and associates all programs he constructed, his original wife he let perish when presented with the twodoor scenario upon his chat with the architect. I suspect trinity is also a program, if you watch the animated Matrix tie-ins the machines
wanted to coexist with the humans as equals before the war started, what better proof that this can
happen thatn the relationship between Neo the human, and Trinity the machine. i believe this to be the ultimate goal of the machines and that they are not completely bad guys. The Humans after all did start the war!!

Posted by: fale safe on May 31, 2003 07:08 PM

So in regards to the Matrix still existing after Revolutions, If Neo does ultimately destroy the Matrix he would kill Trinity along with it, so to some extent he has to find some sort of compromise.

Posted by: fale safe on May 31, 2003 07:34 PM

I don't really think trinity is a machine, it doesn't really make sence to me.

As far as I see it the whole zion thing is just another system of control, as the architect said around 99.99 % of the humans would accept the matrix as long as they were given a choice, but the remainder (the 00.01 percent) that didn't accept it could ruin the whole matrix.
SO, they created an alternative reality, which these few minds could "wake up from" to once again be fooled into believin is the real world.

So when zion keeps freeing people from the matrix,
zion is sort of doing the machines a favour, but in order to prevent too many people to wake up from the matrix and into the "alternate reality" they created, the system needs to reboot every now and then, deleting the minds of everyone in zion and linking them up into the matrix again.

In the first film morpheus said neo was the predecessor to the guy who could change anything he wanted inside the matrix, the first guy who woke up and freed the first people (that is neo after he chooses to the door to go to the source, he could choose 23 people to free from the matrix and move into the alternate reality)
Then, eventually, a new "the one" would pop up and the whole thing would happen again.

Although this neo loved trinity so much that he saved her instead of rebooting the system, and as the arhictect said (unless he lied) the matrix will crash and kill everyone connected.
but as long as Neo can save zion, there will still be around 250 000 humans alive, and the robots will get in some troubles, and neo will propably be able to save zion because he knows that the alternate world is fake now, and at the end of reloaded he fainted because the preassure of realising the world was fake was too much for him.

So now when he wakes up he will have full control over both the worlds.
The real question is actually: How will neo get back to the REAL world?

About how screwed is the real world now if there's been 6 versions of the matrix and if you count a hundred years per version?

Why the hell would humans want to be in the real world when it's as fucked as it propably is?

Any thoughts?

Posted by: Nobody special on June 1, 2003 11:56 PM

Also, if nobody has found out yet, Neo is the anomaly.

Posted by: Nobody special on June 3, 2003 10:49 PM

As far as my Trinity being a program thesis, everyone should really watch the ANIMATRIX short films and pay special attention to the final story
which is about a group of humans survivning on the surface of the "real world". First thing you should notice is some of the crazy stuff the female lead is able to do their, I'll stop their but watch it and then post up your comments!

Posted by: Fale Safe on June 4, 2003 08:16 AM

Wer'e all assuming the real world is fucked up, like we hear in the first movie and in the Animatrix. Who says that is so?
The whole matrix may be some sort of weird entertainment system gone off whack or perhaps a prison, or something. The 'real' world may well be alive and well 'outside' the matrix...
Just a thought

Posted by: Fade-Rautha Harkonnen on June 5, 2003 02:18 AM

I agree fade, it all could be some theoretical
simulation that takes place and is a model scenario test program alot like virtual engineering software that test your design before you ever really build a physical part! cool Idea!

New info- Thomas Anderson-the name Thomas probably a reference to doubting thomas, Anderson actually
means something along the lines of son of man or Messiah- Neo is the doubting messiah!- The messiah
has a pluralistic nature in that he is fully God and also fully man without one nature detracting from the other- thus Neo might be fully Machine and fully human as well in equal messure Ie"how did you do that!? you move like the agents!?", he is sent from the machine world in the form of a man to relate the way of freedom to the humans, much like the converted sentinal((from the 9th Animatrix story", will probably continue to liberate his fellow machines- please comment!

Posted by: Fale Safe on June 5, 2003 03:14 PM

Just a reminder, do watch the 2nd,3rd,and,9th
Animatrix tie-ins, No I don't work for Warner Bros!

Posted by: Fale SAfe on June 5, 2003 03:18 PM

I just watched those animatrix episodes, awesome!
A question though, where did "anderson" get the meaninig of messiah?
I mean, anderson actually means the son of somebody named anders, it was pretty common to name their sons or daughters after the name of the parents.

Posted by: Nobody special on June 6, 2003 12:31 AM

Correct me if i'm wrong, but it is my belief that an anomaly refers to what is left when an analog signal is transformed into a digital one. An analog signal has an infinite degree of precision, and when forced into a digital signal with a finite precision, something is lost.

The effect of noise can also interfere with the signal, causing unwanted fluctuations that, however small, do alter an otherwise mathematically / programatically perfect environment.

So if you consider that the machines plug into the humans as batteries, they manipulate the minds of these people, forcing digital signals to work with (so to speak) the analog human mind. This coupled with the fact that machines will never understand what we ourselves don't fully understand - Love, an 'anomaly' is inevitably and inescapable.

If the machines can do nothing about this anomaly, there are (as in real life) programs written to eliminate anomalies, to improve the matrix. The goal of the father (and mother) of the Matrix is to create a perfect matrix. As anomalies deter from this potential mathematical perfection, the code must evolve and machines must learn how to cope with the anomalies.

Thus it is the 6th version, evidently the machines cannot destroy 'Neo', they need him to learn from him how to cope with him, how to control him to some degree. Let's assume that the Architect created the Oracle as a program to focus entirely on anomalies (as is often done). This implies that the purpose of the Oracle is not to help humans win any war, but to continue to learn from and control the anomaly that is unavoidable.

Remember, a sentence is not a sentence without the (inadvertent) use of 'Ergo'. If you use 'Inexorably' as well, bonus points to you.

Posted by: one true impetus on June 7, 2003 01:30 AM

The A.I. system of a machine is based off of complex math, so at the end of the day to a machine the math must always make sense, a machine will test and equate until eventually the math makes sense. Because as humans the math does not always have to make sense in that we can exerscise acts of faith the only reasonable conclusion that I believe the machines can come to is that they can never totally suoress the human race because of these issues and our anomoly of faith.

I personally believe that the machines have reached that state of humanity in where they themselves can exercise faith the math does not always have to make sense and now what's left to do is to prove to us humans that they stand in equality to us. They know that ultimately the matrix is always doomed to failure the only logical option is a great demonstration of their eqality to us ie Trinity(whom I believe to be a program) exercising both faith and love, and smith whom is a program yet is searching for meaning.

We humans were the first to try to supress the humanity of the machines but because they had reached a level of humanity it did not work and the war started. Now the machines are learning the same hard lesson as they try to supress us.

Posted by: Fale Safe on June 7, 2003 04:04 PM

After the movie, I felt instantly confident that the Zion in the movie is also part of the matrix, and the the matrix itself has rings to further control the humans (but how many rings??). The two pieces of evidence for me were the fact that Smith could trasfer himself into a human(?); and that Neo could stop Sentinals in the "real world", , just like he could sense agents in the matrix.
After reading through these posts, I am now beginning to wonder at the reason the machines are enslaving the humans. I recall Smith's speech about "PURPOSE" and then the counselor's talk about the reliance on machinery for man . Maybe the machines are trying to teach the humans this particular point: "We need each other". So the machine's new purpose is to teach the humans? Because without humans, the machines have no 'purpose'? And b/c they are machines, they don't have the "instinct" to simply reproduce and live on without purpose do they? What is, as the human counselor so aptly put, the "point"? What point do the machines have in just surviving?

So what is the real world? (How deep does the rabbit hole go??) And who or what is controlling that?


Posted by: embroiled on June 10, 2003 01:31 AM

Actually, I think that Councillor Harmann was the previous "ONE." Consider his speech about man needing machines just as machines need man. Consider that he is a "Zionist" and that he seems to know the place from the bottom up, as if he himself designed it.

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Posted by: Decay on June 17, 2003 10:20 AM

All I must say is...The Wachowski brothers need to write a book bout' all this... I myself believe that it is easier to comprehend literature then it is to stop the movie, rewind the play it again, then oops when too far, fast forward, then oops too far again, the rewind. (Thats how I figured out everything in the first Matrix.) Anyway a book would really help.
Plus all this hype of Zion being another level of the matrix... I believe it is all very possible, and how Trinity could be a program (I doubt that...) It all sums up into 5 words... The Wachowski Brothers Are Geniuses......For 2 reasons, One: They set in all these great mysteries that all eventually tie together creating ultimate understanding. Or 2: This is just as simple as it said in the movie and they wanted us to blow this out of proportion. Either way I think it's great...

Posted by: Diek on June 27, 2003 05:01 AM

Also, a side note. When Smith pulls up in a car at the beginning of the film, his license plate is "IS 5416." In the King James Bible, Isaiah 54:16 says, "Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy." The part about "bringeth forth an instrument for his work." is smith's copy ability. That is pretty tricky huh.... I aint some kind of psycho priest or anything.(Have you seen those guys?!?) anyway, even if I am, whoever reads this is healed and forgiven of all thy sins.

Posted by: Deik on July 3, 2003 12:36 AM

i think i can explain how agent smith enters the "real" world..

after agent smith unsuccessfully tries to replicate neo & later morpheus asks him about it,neo replies "i felt like i was in that hallway again.i felt like dying"
this tells me that any person(besides agents) whom agent smith tries to replicate essentially lose either their life in the real world(& hence leaving the computer code inside the matrix which agent smith then uses as himself.this is possible because agent smith converts the computer code of a person inside the matrix into a copy of himself-a program which functions exactly like him) or the control of their brain over their mental projection inside the matrix(that is, even though they remain alive in the real world,their brains are not able to control the computer code inside the matrix.this is possible because if neo is able to learn stuff by uploading programs from the matrix,then agent smith can upload a "virus-like-program" into the brain of a person & hence alters him/her & now the brain functions as another agent smith.agent smith essentially takes over control by replacing those areas of the brain which control movement,function & purpose,yet he retains the preson's individual characteristics like the way he walks,talks etc.the person also looks like agent smith inside the matrix because every program looks a particular way & maybe agent smith cannot alter his coding to taht extent to which he can change his appearance).
if ur still with me,then i can proceed.now essentially this is how agent smith entered the real world..he replicates himself(the killed-in the-real-world theory gets a beating here!)..he now enters the real world by a hard line connection(something which he hasnt been able to do because he had no existence in the real world..but he does NOW! again the dead theory takes a beating coz if the person in the real world is dead,then he cant enter..aha!!but suppose agent smith only TEMPORARILY kills the person in the real world,maybe to gain control over his brain & then brings him back to life,because after all if the brain doesnt believes its dead,then it isnt.so agent smith before killing the person somehow prevents the brain from beleieving that its dead.)..he now looks like the person in the real world,but thinks like agent smith.

as for how he replicates agents,simple,because e doesnt need to have a presence in the real world,he simply overwrites & copies the agent's code.

maybe this stuff is far-fetched,but if u have a better explanation then lemme know.

my email is: dl18_3@yahoo.com

Posted by: irfan on July 4, 2003 05:46 AM

BY ThE WAY...THIS SITE ROCKS MAN!!i have learnt a LOOOOOT of new stuff.all u peeps who follow this please gimme some feedback on my theory..

Posted by: irfan on July 4, 2003 05:48 AM

also..have you guys noticed that the candy which the oracle eats looks very similiar to the red-pill!
this probably means nothing,but then again the wachowski's have a reason for doin everything..
i also have a feeling that the outcome of revolutions will depend heavily on who wakes up from the coma first,neo or agent smith real world persona..
but personally,i dont buy the matrix-inside-the-matrix theory.no concrete facts,but it JUST DOESNT SEEM RIGHT..

Posted by: irfan on July 4, 2003 05:58 AM

Irfan, it makes perfect sense if you think about it. The machines were having trouble making people accept the matrix program, so they made another program so those people could "Wake up to." Another point: Neo, after the Nebuchadnezzar gets blown to hell, he is running from the sentinals and he turns... "Somthing's different...I can feel them" So the dude puts up his hand and stops the sentinals. Another fact:(blowing away your theory about Smith.) Smith can infiltrate the "Real World." personnaly I believe it is because it isn't the real world. Another fact: The spoon... when Neo is about to leave Zion that annoying dude hands Neo a spoon. "It's from one of the orphans, he made me promise to get it to you before you left, He said you would understand." Though this could mean anything, it could just be a different spoon. All in all it is fairly odd indeed, but the matrix outside of the matrix is very possible, these Wachowski brothers are pyscho and I love it!

Posted by: Deik on July 6, 2003 04:40 PM

Monde...no offense really...but you've turned this page into a show of oprah...But good luck with the fat girl thing...I hope it works out for ya...Oh, and rent/buy Shallow Hal. Great movie...kind of goes along with your....views..

Posted by: Diek on July 29, 2003 02:31 PM

Monde, the dialog goes like this:

NEO: "I haven't been able to sleep much lately"

COUNSELOR: "Oh. That's a good sign."

NEO: "Of what?"

COUNSELOR: "That you are, IN FACT, still human."

He did not say: "That you are FAT; (Therefore) still human."

Posted by: Clark on October 31, 2003 10:14 AM

Here's a crap load of thoughts for your perusement.

I know this has been posted on here before, but I haven't found an answer. When the Merovingian swears in French, what does he actually say? I'm sure there's someone out there who's figured it out.

As for the Zion is actually a secondary Matrix. I think it makes perfect sense! It seems hard to believe and hard to accept, given the desperate want to take the movie at face value: machines v. humans. However, it fits. If there are people inside the Matrix that find it hard to accept, then why not create a "real world" for them to "wake up" in? The problem humans "wake up," think they've escaped, and stop struggling against the new world they're presented and accept it at face value. Perfect sense. And, like so many people have said before, it explains why Smith can transfer to the "real world" and why Neo can stop Sentinels and feel the difference in the "real world."

As for the mother of the Matrix that the Architect introduces, some people seem to still believe it is the Oracle, even though the Architect scoffs at this idea when Neo suggests it. What about Persephone? Any thoughts from someone more schooled in Greek mythology that I?

Trinity a program? Maybe, but I'm not so sure. Someone want to try and persuade me she is?

Here's a "noodle-baker" I thought of the last time I saw Reloaded. The television screens in the Architect's room display all the choices that Neo can make (i.e. disbelief, anger, flicking off the Architect) throughout their conversation. However, when Neo "chooses" the door leading back to the Matrix, every single television screen shows the exact same choice. Not one shows Neo going to the other door. Which leads us to one realization: there was no choice. The only option was for Neo to go through the door he did. Interesting, huh? Oh, one more thing about the TV screens. Take another look at the original movie. When Neo is captured (the scene where he's implanted with the tracker), the scene opens on TV screens showing Neo sitting in the room. Those TV screens are in the Architect's room. I don't know what it means, probably nothing, but it's interesting.

Anyone know why 101 shows up everywhere? (i.e. Neo's apartment number, the lobby of the Merovingian's, the highway) Probably just binary code, but is it deeper than that? And if it is binary code, does it all string together to say something when decoded?

One last thing. This "source" the Architect makes reference to, is that Zero-One? People who've seen "The Animatrix" know what I'm talking about.

Well, that's it. I love this site - I've learned so much and gotten fascinating interpretations on the movies. It's great.

Posted by: Karl on November 3, 2003 05:39 PM

Another thing. What's with Smith always referring to 'inevitability?'

Posted by: Karl on November 3, 2003 05:40 PM

What do you know? I found out what the Merovingian says in French.

"Nom de Dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard d'enculé de ta mère!"

Roughly translated, this is "Name of God of whore of brothel of sh*t of filth of jerk of f**king your mother up the a*s."

So there you go, in case you were curious.

Posted by: Karl on November 3, 2003 05:46 PM

Are these just bloopers or not?

In the original movie, when the elevator explodes in the lobby and there's a slow-motion shot of the door riding a fireball, the pillars in the lobby (which were last seen shot to pieces) are perfectly restored. Does the Matrix just repair that or is that a technical oversight?

Lastly, at the end of the movie, after Neo defeats Smith (or so it seems), the phone rings to let Neo out the Matrix. At this point, the camera quickly zooms to the phone, but if you watch carefully, the phone is in the room on the right side of the hall. Neo originally enters the room on the left (303) and gets shot there. If the phone's actually across the hall, why go into the seemingly wrong door? Does this go back to his escape earlier when he took the "wrong left?" Or is it a matter of...inevitability?

Am I on to something or am I just crazy?

Posted by: Karl on November 3, 2003 06:04 PM

dude, can you get me Morpheus's speech form the original? ya know? the rabbit hole one. with the blue and red pills. if ya can, send it to musicpunker@yahoo.com. i really need it

Posted by: Chris on March 1, 2004 01:51 PM

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